In this episode (episode 14) of Agile Leaders Conversations, hear Mr Frederic Ducros, a veteran in the digital transformation space. Frederic played the role of Chief Transformation Officer in AirAsia, spent more than 15 years in consulting firms and spoke at the Business Agility Conference in New York.Hear Fred share how leaders should approach transformation by looking at tasks vs people with a different paradigm, riding the curve of maturity and the importance of having mindful conversations with people so that organisations can transform successfully. Discover why the 'longer path is the shortest in the long run', and the presence required of leaders who want to inspire their teams and enterprises.Connect with Frederic Ducros at https://www.linkedin.com/in/zemonk/Want to learn more about leadership agility with Chuen Chuen? Follow these steps:1. SUBSCRIBE TO THIS CHANNEL2. GET THE LEADERSHIP AGILITY BLUEPRINT – your roadmap to agile leadership https://www.acesence.com/blueprintbundle-promoVisit www.ACESENCE.com for more agile leaders development programs.3. FOLLOW CHUEN CHUEN:Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/ACESENCEwithYeoChuenChuenLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuen-chuen-yeo4. TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT:Tell me in the comments if you liked this podcast and what other topics you would like to hear.