Rocky Fishman, Founder and CEO, Asym 500 LLC

It was a pleasure to welcome Rocky Fishman, Founder and CEO of derivatives advisory firm Asym 500 back to the Alpha Exchange. An area of specialty for Rocky is evaluating systematic trading strategies, like vol targeting, that live and breathe within equity markets and potentially sponsor feedback loops. The focus of our discussion, the growing universe of leveraged ETFs, a unique product set that has been on my mind and that Rocky has recently done a deep dive on. We start our conversation by revisiting the August 5th VIX event that saw the S&P options market turn highly illiquid as the prices quoted for deep out of the money puts reached unheard of levels. For Rocky, while the event came and went, there are lessons, namely that the tails can exert themselves suddenly. With respect to leveraged ETFs, Rocky sizes the US universe as $135bln in assets under management for leveraged and inverse products, $120bln of which is in equity products. He walks through how both the leveraged long and inverse products on the same underlying, non-intuitively, are responsible for buying or selling in the same direction on the same day. These amplifying effects, unlike efforts to map the market’s gamma profile are unambiguous. As such, they are worth keeping a close eye on, especially as the ETF issuer’s daily required rebalancing efforts take place near the close of trading. Here, Rocky does observe both more vol and volume in the market near the end of the day. I hope you enjoy this episode of the Alpha Exchange, my conversation with Rocky Fishman.

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The Alpha Exchange is a podcast series launched by Dean Curnutt to explore topics in financial markets, risk management and capital allocation in the alternatives industry. Our in depth discussions with highly established industry professionals seek to uncover the nuanced and complex interactions between economic, monetary, financial, regulatory and geopolitical sources of risk. We aim to learn from the perspective our guests can bring with respect to the history of financial and business cycles, promoting a better understanding among listeners as to how prior periods provide important context to present day dynamics. The “price of risk” is an important topic. Here we engage experts in their assessment of risk premium levels in the context of uncertainty. Is the level of compensation attractive? Because Central Banks have played so important a role in markets post crisis, our discussions sometimes aim to better understand the evolution of monetary policy and the degree to which the real and financial economy will be impacted. An especially important area of focus is on derivative products and how they interact with risk taking and carry dynamics. Our conversations seek to enlighten listeners, for example, as to the factors that promoted the February melt-down of the VIX complex. We do NOT ask our guests for their political opinions. We seek a better understanding of the market impact of regulatory change, election outcomes and events of geopolitical consequence. Our discussions cover markets from a macro perspective with an assessment of risk and opportunity across asset classes. Within equity markets, we may explore the relative attractiveness of sectors but will NOT discuss single stocks.