Today, in Beyond The Chameleon, Ella talks to Olivia Dickinson, a member of the Let Toys Be Toys campaign, with 20 years’ experience in children’s media. They talked about parenting and how we can change things as consumers by talking to our children and challenging what's presented to us on the screen. If you would like to work with Ella as a composer, or be featured on the podcast, visit ellajarman-pinto.co.uk If you’ve enjoyed the podcast, please support Ella at buymeacoffee.com/ellajarma