Wayne Shorter and Esperanza Spalding on what it takes to be authentic

Great artists are authentic. It’s how they are able to connect to enormous audiences, yet each person experiencing the music, or art, feels directly spoken to. What would you do if you could go through life with this kind of genuine, inspiring power? Being yourself, truly yourself, is hard. Today, we speak with legendary Grammy-winning jazz musicians Wayne Shorter and Esperanza Spalding about how Buddhism has helped them become their most authentic selves. P.S. The book mentioned in the episode is called Reaching Beyond: Improvisations on Jazz, Buddhism, and a Joyful Life. Cheatsheet: 1:25 Introduction to Wayne & Esperanza 2:41 How Esperanza discovered Buddhism 5:22 Why Wayne started chanting 7:11 How Wayne discovered a deeper purpose to playing music 8:10 How chanting helped Wayne see himself more clearly 12:23 Esperanza on authenticity as a musician 17:35 Wayne on how Buddhism can help you check yourself 19:25 Esperanza on how to unlock your own capacity 20:34 Some notes on Esperanza’s “life force” 21:48 On Wayne & Esperanza’s friendship 23:33 Wayne’s advice to anyone who feels stuck with their art or work 24:57 A key lesson from today’s conversation

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