Reverse rug pull, so cool? (Changelog & Friends #61)

Jerod & Adam share our Zulip first impressions, react to Elasticsearch going open source (again), discuss Christian Hollinger's blog post on why he still self-hosts & answer a listener question: how do we produce podcasts?

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