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Joe Hollier

Debbie talks to Joe Hollier about an invention of his that is designed to bring back boredom in the era of the smartphone.

Om Podcasten

Design Matters with Debbie Millman is one of the world’s very first podcasts. Broadcasting independently for over 15 years, the show is about how incredibly creative people design the arc of their lives. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.