73: Steve Jobs VS Steve Ballmer (not clickbait)

Jake’s not here this week. So Jonathan is joined by Amr from AJ&Smart to talk about a little more about Apple (since they had their media event a couple weeks back); compare Apple’s leadership with Microsoft’s; and how to approach working on a “boring” product. Here’s a peek at the topics discussed in this episode: - Innovators vs executors - Has Apple become boring?  - Who’s running product at Apple? - How Steve Ballmer ran Microsoft - How success can set you up to be disrupted  - Microsoft is interesting now..?! - Companies should focus on doing *boring* well - How do you pitch a boring product? - Innovation is overrated  - The importance of framing in product design

Om Podcasten

Jake and Jonathan (formally Product Breakfast Club) is a behind the scenes look at how some of the best companies in the world design their products. Jake Knapp, NY Times best-selling author of "Sprint", has helped companies like Slack, Nest and 23andMe build successful products. Jonathan Courtney, co-founder of AJ&Smart, has worked with companies like RedBull, eBay and the United Nations, to help them build better products faster. In this new, exciting podcast, the two of them have teamed up to discuss things like product design, innovation and productivity.