These Conversations Aren't Black and White: DNR, Advanced Directives, and the Intersection with EMS

These challenging scenarios represent opportunities to provide truly patient-centered care at life's most vulnerable moments. By combining your medical expertise with thoughtful communication, you can help ensure patients' wishes are honored while supporting families through difficult transitions. In this episode we dive into the complex ethical and legal dilemmas faced by EMS providers when arriving on scenes involving Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) and goals of care forms. With special guest Dr. Daniel Markwalter, an emergency physician and hospice/palliative care expert, the discussion touches on understanding the importance of these forms, the challenges of making decisions without clear directives, and strategies for effective communication with family members when they suddenly disagree with the form. This episode provides valuable insights and practical advice for EMS professionals who can be faced with these sometimes challenging scenarios.   00:00 Introduction: The Ethical Dilemma in EMS 00:49 Sponsor Message: The Recess Tailor 01:53 Case Study: Evening Shift Dilemma 03:33 Expert Insights: Dr. Daniel Mark Walter 04:40 Understanding Hospice and DNR 09:48 Advanced Directives and Code Status 19:20 Challenges with Comfort Care and Advanced Directives 26:19 Aligning Medical Knowledge with Patient Goals 28:34 Understanding Goals of Care 29:03 Respecting Autonomy in Medical Decisions 30:02 Effective Communication with Families 31:45 Navigating Family Overrides in Critical Moments 32:36 Legal Aspects of Surrogate Decision Making 36:00 Exploring Illness Understanding and Prognosis 45:46 Symptom Management in Palliative Care 49:43 Final Thoughts and Summary   Resources Get 10% off FAST25 with promo code- loud&clear The Resus Tailor Todays Episode Show Notes Survey- Help us learn what content you want Gear We Like Good Stethoscope - https://amzn.to/3YJJrf2 Good Shears - https://amzn.to/40FROuF or https://amzn.to/3ChZ4Tn  Notepad for taking notes on calls - https://amzn.to/3Z1X21J Sunglasses - https://frontline-optics.com/discount/EMSCAST15 Books we recommend -  The Dichotomy of Leadership - https://amzn.to/4fiCAjN Extreme Ownership - https://amzn.to/3O1FWfa  Managing the Unexpected: Sustained Performance in a Complex World -        https://amzn.to/3V7BwYf Thinking Fast and Slow - https://amzn.to/4fiJG85 A Thousand Naked Strangers: A Paramedic's Wild Ride to the Edge and Back -  https://amzn.to/3YJJrf2 Guest/Cast/Crew information-Guest- Daniel Markwalter, MDHost- Ross Orpet, Will Berry Catch up with us after the show Instagram- @emsloudandclear YouTube- https://www.youtube.com/@EMSLoudandClear Website- www.emspodcast.com    

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Paramedic training is over, you’re in the front seat now. Whether day 1 or day 1,000 you can’t shake the fear you’re underprepared. You were taught to systematically decide if A... do B. But what if “A” wasn’t in the book? The truth is each emergency call is too unique to teach the right response to every situation. We need to go beyond algorithmic thinking and understand deeper principles, the WHY behind the algorithm. When every decision counts you want to rely on a framework that will guide you when things don’t make sense. Loud & Clear: EMS Guiding Principles is your resource to build that framework. Through discussions with experts, review of evidence-based best practices, and real-world case studies we teach you one step past what you learned in paramedic school. But all of this advanced education is connected back to the guiding principles that answer the question- “at the end of the day, what actually matters to the patient I have in front of me?” Our mission is to elevate your practice and help you improve patient outcomes in every emergency situation. You may not feel ready, you may not feel like you know enough, but by understanding the guiding principles of emergency medicine you can become an expert EMS clinician. Because what you do matters.