Carmel Sepuloni on what's wrong with the welfare system

Labour's deputy leader, and former deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Social Development, Carmel Sepuloni joins Thomas this week. She discusses how Labour lost Auckland and their response to crime in the city, before a deep dive on welfare, benefits, and what needs to be done to fix this issue. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Each Friday, NZ Herald Deputy Political Editor Thomas Coughlan covers off the biggest political news in New Zealand, going behind the headlines and giving the inside perspective direct from the Beehive, featuring interviews with politicians, press gallery reporters and economic and political experts. And join us every month for a Local Edition episode with Georgina Campbell, looking at the biggest concerns from a local government level.  You can find more politics news at nzherald.co.nz/politics/