Brent Bushnell and Eric Gradman, Two Bit Circus Co-Founders; New BlackBerries

Two Bit Circus CEO Brent Bushnell and CTO Eric Gradman talk with Kara Swisher about their high-tech circus, STEAM Carnival; fixing education; and why playing games will break down kids' aversion to the sciences. Later, Lauren Goode finds out if the new BlackBerry Priv is good enough to challenge Kara's iPhone.

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Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.