Take 114 - Writer and Showrunner Cheo Hodari Coker, Luke Cage, Creed II

We talk to legendary showrunner Cheo Hodari Coker.He talks about his journey from music journalist to writer, what he learned from the tough world of hip-hop and how he used those skills in Hollywood.Cheo talks about the similarities between running and writing, finding pockets of time to write and how screenwriting can be painful.He describes embracing the suck, seizing his moment and writing as pie-eating.A fascinating interview with a talented storyteller.

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Behind the glitz and glamor, Hollywood can be brutal. For every success, there are many more rejections and failures. Screaming into the Hollywood Abyss explores that world and each week a new guest will talk about dealing with rejection, failure and adversity in the entertainment industry. Writer Noah Evslin and podcaster Dan Rutstein ask the questions.