Pop Star Ava Max on the Real Story Behind “Sweet But Psycho” and Why She Left The Spotlight

Pop powerhouse Ava Max went from a first-gen immigrant household to topping charts worldwide with hits like “Sweet but Psycho” and “Kings & Queens.” In this episode of The Burnouts, she gets real with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni about chasing her dream in LA, surviving the dark side of the industry, almost quitting, and the making of her new album, “Don’t Click Play.” Ava opens up about resilience, protecting her energy, and what it really takes to build a lasting pop career.

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As former Stanford roommates and now business partners, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni share their experience as startup founders and the complexities of being young professionals—from financial literacy, social impact, and navigating networking (ever been hit on through LinkedIn?). With exclusive access to top experts, they offer an inside look at their chaotic lives alongside career insights from their network of thought leaders. Watch The Burnouts pursue their dreams while trying to keep their lives from going up in flames. Will they burn out? We’ll find out.