Gavin Newsom on the L.A. Protests, Trump’s Response and Why It’s a Defining Moment for Democracy

California’s governor, Gavin Newsom, says that President Trump’s decision to send federal troops into Los Angeles is a “brazen abuse of power” and a defining moment for American democracy. Governor Newsom sits down with Michael Barbaro to discuss Mr. Trump, illegal immigration, the protests and how he thinks the standoff in Los Angeles will end.

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