The Economist asks: Jacinda Ardern

The prime minister of New Zealand explains why her country is a laboratory for progressive politics. The Economist’s Anne McElvoy and Zanny Minton Beddoes ask her about the economics of well-being and whether she really is “the anti-Trump”. Also, why New Zealand has had enough of being left off the map Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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One question posed to a high-profile newsmaker, followed up with lively debate. Anne McElvoy hosts The Economist's chat show. Recent guests include Henry Kissinger, Chris Patten and Maggie Gyllenhall.Sign up for Economist Podcasts+ at www.economist.com/podcastsplusIf you’re already a subscriber to The Economist, you’ll have full access to all our shows as part of your subscription.