In episode 85 of The Secure Developer, Guy Podjarny speaks to James Turnbull, an open source developer who is currently VP of Engineering at Timber, working on the open source observability platform, Vector. As someone who has been a core part of the DevOps journey, James is especially qualified to discuss how it's similar or different to security. Tuning in, you’ll hear about James’ journey, why he made the transition from security to operations, and why he considers people a key part of DevOps solutions. You’ll also find out where the lines between the two world meet and how one can benefit from the other. Tune in today!