SBP 079: First, Look Like Your Brand. With Dr. Ella Ward.
In the latest episode of the Sleeping Barber Podcast, we sit down with Dr. Ella Ward, a senior marketing scientist from the Ehrenberg-Bass Institute. Dr. Ward shares her expertise on the importance of visual brand identity, the difference between being data-driven and evidence-based, how to create cohesive brand packaging and most importantly Marc and V get a lesson on Aussie rules footy! This is an episode you do not want to miss! Don't forget to join our hosts, Vassilis and Marc, for some post-podcast banter! Quote of the episode: “Your strategy can’t be based on differentiation. Your competitors will catch up." Our Guest: Dr. Ella Ward Sr. Marketing Scientist @ Ehrenberg-Bass Institute Enhancing visual brand identity across a product portfolio. https://www.linkedin.com/in/ella-ward-/ Our Hosts: Follow our updates here: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/ Get in touch with our hosts: Marc Binkley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/ Vassilis Douros: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/ Background Research & Literature: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/14707853231201852?icid=int.sj-abstract.citing-articles.4 https://www.unisa.edu.au/media-centre/Releases/2023/coloured-by-numbers/ https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ella-ward-_distinctiveassets-evidencebasedmarketing-activity-6785027383834611713-eeTI https://marketingscience.info/research-services/distinctive-assets/ Timestamps: 0:00 - Podcast Introduction 0:50 - Introduction to Ella 3:31 - Path to becoming a Marketing Scientist @ Ehrenberg-Bass Institute 4:28 - Ella’s areas of research 5:23 - Visual cohesion across the brand portfolio 6:40 - The scientific revolution happening in marketing 8:39 - Marketing science matters because the real world is a very weird place 10:33 - Data-driven vs. Evidence-based marketing 13:05 - Using science to lead change 16:40 - Bloodletting & changing paradigms 18:30 - The difference between brand books and Distinctive Brand Assets (DBA) 20:44 - Making brands available & linking brands to memory 23:22 - Brand management isn’t about policing, it should be fun 26:45 - Rebranding? Know what assets trigger the brand 29:20 - How effective are your DBAs at triggering memory 30:52 - Why characters are more memorable than other types of distinctive assets 34:20 - Rebranding? know the strength of your distinctive assets 36:15 - Adding to your distinctive asset pallet - Ikea voiceover 39:10 - Hagen-Dazs Case Study 39:40 - Package colours used to signal variety aren’t often effective 43:17 - The danger of using colour to signal a variety 45:38 - Prioritize your branding over colour signalling 49:43 - Decreasing product packaging types to improve advertising efficiency 51:00 - Cohesive branding improves the bottom line 53:17 - Differentiation v. Distinctiveness in product packaging 58:25 - Packaging Services 1:01:45 - Post-pod with V and Marc Where to Listen: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-sleeping-barber-a-business-and-marketing-podcast/id1609811324 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4v0kaM350zEY7X2VBuyfrF?si=7083317d5afd488b Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@sleepingbarberpodcast © 2024 Sleeping Barber