59: Siracusa Says It's True

John Gruber and Dan Benjamin discuss John's plan for Microsoft, Windows 8, Metro, touch on the desktop, keeping legacy environments around, Windows everywhere vs. iOS everywhere, and the death of Star Wars.

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The Talk Show features discussion about technology, Apple, Mac, iPhone, iPad, movies, directors, and the Web. It’s America’s favorite podcast. Hosted by John Gruber & Dan Benjamin.