'No headless chook behaviour!' Helen Clark on the future of Labour

During a late-night call to Toronto, Tova gets the former three-time Prime Minister's take on Labour's 2023 drubbing - and whether Chris Hipkins is the right person to take on National at the next election. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Tova O’Brien hosts Stuff’s political podcast holding the powerful to account and putting the concerns of real people front and centre. With regular guests Andrea Vance, picking the winners and losers of the week in Snakes and Leaders, and Luke Malpass, calling key moments for the coming week in Beehive Buzz. You can read analysis supporting this podcast on stuff.co.nz. Need more great podcasts? Check out Stuff's full catalogue here. GET IN TOUCH Email tova@stuff.co.nz. CREDITS Host and producer: Tova O'Brien. Sound design, audio editing and mixing: Connor Scott and John Ropiha. Executive producer: Chris Reed.