Time is running out for the world’s forests, ecosystems and the life they support. The consequences for human life and climate could be catastrophic – unless we take action now. In this episode James Wong speaks to scientists from the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew to understand how forest loss and timber trafficking presents massive problems for future generations – and how they are tackling the illegal trade of wood He’ll also hear their different opinions on whether or not ecocide – or the deliberate damaging of environments – should be outlawed internationally. Subscribe to Unearthed: Mysteries from an unseen world on your podcast app to get a new episode each fortnight. And you can share the show or join the conversation on social media with the hashtag #KewUnearthed. Follow @kewgardens for more insights into the magical, mysterious world of plants and fungi. www.kew.org With thanks to Hague Talks for use of this audio clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgQ9kVzy1TM https://www.haguetalks.com Find out how World Forest ID is using georeferenced wood samples to verify timber origin and species. https://worldforestid.org See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.