75: You Are Terrible to Sick People

This week, with Myke on sick leave, Jason is joined by Stephen Hackett to talk about Apple's first-party apps, the future of the Mac and VR pizza.

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Upgrade looks at how technology shapes our lives, from the devices in our hands and pockets to the streaming services that keep us entertained. Hosted by Jason Snell and Myke Hurley.